tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post6150081047437045718..comments2023-06-11T09:52:31.370-04:00Comments on Saratogian Newsroom: Easy questions at candidate forumThe Saratogian City Deskhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12483093324074629001noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-8630987797686688462009-10-29T10:24:20.098-04:002009-10-29T10:24:20.098-04:00anon 10:12: We're still discussing.anon 10:12: We're still discussing.The Saratogian City Deskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12483093324074629001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-72785354895505708562009-10-29T10:12:01.066-04:002009-10-29T10:12:01.066-04:00So does the transcript of the message get posted? ...So does the transcript of the message get posted? Did the woman who received it agree to let you share?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-13014365586122599842009-10-29T07:21:19.258-04:002009-10-29T07:21:19.258-04:00Horatio,
Here's a newsflash! Every newly vot...Horatio,<br /><br />Here's a newsflash! Every newly voted council has the chance to put our city on track. Each time we think we did it right we get disappointed. This time will be no different. The change of our government form will be the start of the city to get on the right track. It has nothing to do with democrats or republicans. It certainly has nothing to do with this sorry lot that calls themselves the independent party!Kid Tatternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-37299640197598099592009-10-28T15:18:26.683-04:002009-10-28T15:18:26.683-04:00again, before i get accused by horatio and no toma...again, before i get accused by horatio and no tomaxstein soze, 5:28 was not me. but if you say so, ho. i think a lot of people have that impression of what you do. and you know, that's fine if that's who you like. i've just stopped arguing with you about it.Trapped in Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07826228508668485852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-440771231388810692009-10-28T14:37:49.689-04:002009-10-28T14:37:49.689-04:00anon 8:51: I have no reason to believe that the me...anon 8:51: I have no reason to believe that the message was left using publicly-owned phone equipment. It was most definitely not recorded on publicly-owned equipment. <br /><br />Honestly, having listened to the recording, I don't think it's enough to cause some of the blow-back that has been suggested here. But, I guess we'll see.The Saratogian City Deskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12483093324074629001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-31161615387959898572009-10-28T10:45:11.861-04:002009-10-28T10:45:11.861-04:005:28,
I am beholden to no politician, party or vi...5:28,<br /><br />I am beholden to no politician, party or view. I call 'em as I see 'em. Unfortunately, there's nothing I could write that would diminish your psycho-sexual sadomasochistic longing to wear Tom McTygue's skin like it were a finely tailored suit(a la Silence of the Lambs). There ARE hospitals that treat these sort of fetishes. No matter where you live in the city, Four Winds is only down the street.<br /><br />BTW, where do you get the remotest idea that I hate Democrats? First of all, I don't 'hate' anyone in this city. There are people I strongly dislike, but hate is an entirely different ball game. Secondly, if there was a group that came close to hating, it would be the DFC scum that helped squander a perfectly good chance to set this city on a proper track for the future.Horatio Algerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00014475617509681687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-1849878531799400142009-10-27T21:34:44.117-04:002009-10-27T21:34:44.117-04:00Let's face it. Sutton is not fit to be in any ...Let's face it. Sutton is not fit to be in any kind of position in government. Her incompetence may cost Johnson his second term. Although this is her season. The season of the witch that is.Food for Thoughtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-9544062146667283442009-10-27T20:51:11.788-04:002009-10-27T20:51:11.788-04:00I think as a public employee, leaving a message wi...I think as a public employee, leaving a message with or on public equipment, it's public.<br /><br />Or, if the lady on the receiving end wants it public, you should honor her wishes and publicize it. The person who left it has no expectation of privacy, they lost that expectation when they LEFT THE RECORDED MESSAGE! (duh...)<br /><br />That being said, if it is that bad, Johnson should understand that some may support him only if he finds a new deputy, and says so up front. I for one wouldn't vote for a guy who stands by and watches that kind of behavior and does nothing, if in fact the voice mail is as incriminating as some make it out to be (I can't say, i haven't heard it).<br /><br />Even the worst employees have a right to be treated with respect, even if it is while you politely inform them that their performance is the reason they are now unemployed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-57524009351568987502009-10-27T18:13:07.581-04:002009-10-27T18:13:07.581-04:00oh the suspense.oh the suspense.Trapped in Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07826228508668485852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-81333857564866209352009-10-27T17:41:07.437-04:002009-10-27T17:41:07.437-04:00"Kid Tatter," We are discussing whether ..."Kid Tatter," We are discussing whether or not the recording should be made public. Since it was a private message, I'm not entirely sure that the public "as a right to know," or what value making the recording public might have. <br /><br />Anyway, if we decide to post the audio, you will certainly know about it.The Saratogian City Deskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12483093324074629001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-47928596385528286462009-10-27T17:28:35.712-04:002009-10-27T17:28:35.712-04:00So Andrew, What does the recording say? Will it ...So Andrew, What does the recording say? Will it become public before the election? The public has the right to know. <br />Horatio needs to back off with his hate for the democrats. You are a Tommy lover that just won't give it up. How's your Miller campaign doing?Kid Tatternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-37742828932256837292009-10-27T17:00:31.977-04:002009-10-27T17:00:31.977-04:00sitting on the dock of the bay, watching the thige...sitting on the dock of the bay, watching the thige roll away....please inform jt and his 500 aliases that i am not chadwick. thank you. It is flattering, however.Trapped in Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07826228508668485852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-56047192104437038982009-10-27T11:08:21.905-04:002009-10-27T11:08:21.905-04:00anon 5:23: The recording is a message left by Depu...anon 5:23: The recording is a message left by Deputy Mayor Shauna Sutton for former Public Safety executive assistant Suzanne Kwazinewski. I have had a recording of the message for several weeks, and we discussed it with Mayor Johnson during his endorsement interview.The Saratogian City Deskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12483093324074629001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-6957921652584190182009-10-27T09:47:36.858-04:002009-10-27T09:47:36.858-04:00I'll be voting for Kim again.I'll be voting for Kim again.J Thige saidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-44142588220152194522009-10-27T07:37:04.608-04:002009-10-27T07:37:04.608-04:00You on vacation again? :)You on vacation again? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-15124362523029564012009-10-25T12:49:38.557-04:002009-10-25T12:49:38.557-04:00Settling a Union contract is more than up to just ...Settling a Union contract is more than up to just the lawyers. The unions themselves with their representation have to be willing to work with what is asked of them. If they're not willing to come to some sort of an agreement as a Union, how exactly are the lawyers supposed to settle contracts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-52426804447508056892009-10-24T17:23:54.321-04:002009-10-24T17:23:54.321-04:00"...the recording of Deputy Mayor Shauna Sutt..."...the recording of Deputy Mayor Shauna Sutton's voicemail message berating a former city employee. "<br /><br />What was that all about ? Who was on the receiving end ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-16530060414494575302009-10-23T20:13:35.199-04:002009-10-23T20:13:35.199-04:00"Kim pounced on the question, noting that, wi..."Kim pounced on the question, noting that, without outside attorneys, he settled all 6 public safety union contracts within months after taking office as Public Safety Commissioner, winning concessions that lowered the starting salaries for cops and firefighters and saving the city big bucks."<br /><br />PROVE IT. Show us the contract. Show us the savings. Show us ANYTHING.<br /><br />But you won't, because you lying sack(s) --I use this designation because I'm fairly certain four of these posts were made by the same person --know that Kim didn't do any of the things you allege.<br /><br />BTW, I can easily prove how wrong you are by showing you the city budget, which increases police spending EVERY YEAR Kim is in office. That's a fact. If you don't believe me, look it up on the city Web site. <br /><br />Unfortunately for your point, you can't show ME or anyone else the police contract, because KIM WON'T RELEASE IT. Nice open government he's running over there. Keep living in your Keehnland dream, while the rest of us pay for the mistakes voters like you made by giving us this dolt and his puppeteer for a deputy as a 'city leader.'Horatio Algerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00014475617509681687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-59505037735813299762009-10-23T16:50:41.846-04:002009-10-23T16:50:41.846-04:00Ben Lives On - Sounds like you are jealous of Val...Ben Lives On - Sounds like you are jealous of Val Keehn. How's living out of Saratoga treating you Kaiser? Val Keehn is a much better choice than Shauna Sutton for deputy. At least she is pleasant.Kid Tatternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-71401453401775656712009-10-23T15:25:56.999-04:002009-10-23T15:25:56.999-04:00Well, if the former employee was a slacker, maybe ...Well, if the former employee was a slacker, maybe they deserved the berating. Some people can't be reached with please and thank you. <br />I haven't heard the recording, and can't assume it's authentic, but sometimes people need a little thicker skin.<br /><br />Also, if Keehn is such a wonderful option, as she must be for Kim to know that she isn't interested (assuming he knows because he asked if she is interested), who cares if someone is spreading the rumor that she will be the deputy? Clearly she will attract some votes, and push away others. Do you really think she hurts the "ticket" more than she helps it?<br /><br />As for all the lawyers needed for the current contract negotiations, perhaps the contracts that Ron negotiated with them is so mucked up that you need very specialized council to un-muck it. It takes a lot more skill to put the egg back together than to crack it in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-48893207959164371472009-10-23T13:03:25.372-04:002009-10-23T13:03:25.372-04:00The most telling comment of the night was when Joh...The most telling comment of the night was when Johnson said<br />"Commissioner Kim<br />we sit barely four feet apart night after night at the council table and you stopped speaking to me over a year an a half ago not even a simple hello in a year and a half."<br /><br /><br />Many of us have found the same thing with Kim disagree with once and that's the last time he will ever acknowledge your existence again.<br /><br />http://saratogaindecline.blogspot.com/Ben lives onhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05983865733377641879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-54260029265760615932009-10-23T09:20:56.898-04:002009-10-23T09:20:56.898-04:00When commenting on the amount of criticism a mayor...When commenting on the amount of criticism a mayor has to absorb, Johnson was probably just reaching for a common figure of speech when he said, "I'm a big boy. I can take it." Not a very good choice of words for a man of such small stature who claims that he does a good job as the "face of the city" even though he often looks like a little kid dressed up a like a grown up.<br /><br />And he sure didn't do himself any good with the complaint that Kim only talks to him during City Council meetings and gives him the cold shoulder at other times. That sounded an awful lot like, "Mommy, make Ron stop being mean to me!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-36007050868726465302009-10-23T08:09:47.458-04:002009-10-23T08:09:47.458-04:00Your telling me that a man who as been planning to...Your telling me that a man who as been planning to run for Mayor for months has no idea who he wants for his deputy? Well that’s what Ron Kim said and when asked directly who his deputy was going to he also danced around the question if he was considering.<br />Val Keehn and refused to rule her out.<br />You can see raw unedited excerpts of the debate at<br />http://saratogaindecline.blogspot.com/Ben lives onhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05983865733377641879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-21375821436219190672009-10-23T08:01:34.963-04:002009-10-23T08:01:34.963-04:00what did you think about the question regarding th...what did you think about the question regarding the tape recorded message. that seemed to send johnson off his game a bit for a few minutes.Trapped in Historyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07826228508668485852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3916367746067142134.post-6808889828755513532009-10-23T07:48:55.977-04:002009-10-23T07:48:55.977-04:00Scott Johnson didn't offer much of a defense o...Scott Johnson didn't offer much of a defense of his practice of making city decisions in private executive sessions of the City Council. At the debate, Ron Kim took advantage of every opportunity to point out that the Open Meetings Law requires public decisions to be made in public. <br /><br />Johnson kept trying to dodge the issue. When he finally tried a counterattack, it fell flatter than a pancake, because all he could manage was a whiny complaint about the Democrats "taking the high road" by constantly advocating openness and transparency in government. Sounds like he's wrong and he knows it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com